Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Meth Really Isn't That Bad for You... Or is it?

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We all know that meth is a highly addictive, harmful stimulant drug that rots your teeth and makes you paranoid, stupid, unemployed, and homeless -- thereby ruining your life. So just say NO! to meth. Right, kids?

Methamphetamine (meth) and other stimulants are best known for their effects on the dopamine system, and hence for their propensity to be reinforcing and addictive. But meth actually increases the release and blocks the reuptake of all three monoamine neurotransmitters (norepinephrine and serotonin as well as dopamine). Meth addiction can cause alterations in brain function and cognitive performance, according to hundreds of published studies (reviewed in Barr et al., 2006; Baicy & London, 2007). The NIDA website lists a multitude of adverse effects from chronic heavy use:
Long-term methamphetamine abuse has many negative health consequences, including extreme weight loss, severe dental problems (“meth mouth”), anxiety, confusion, insomnia, mood disturbances, and violent behavior. Chronic methamphetamine abusers can also display a number of psychotic features, including paranoia, visual and auditory hallucinations, and delusions...
However, a new review article by Hart et al. (2011) concludes that prior studies have exaggerated the harmful effects of methamphetamine on brain structure and function, cognition, mental health, and dental health. In my view, one problem with this endeavor arises in the very first sentence of the abstract:
The prevailing view is that recreational methamphetamine use causes a broad range of severe cognitive deficits, despite the fact that concerns have been raised about interpretations drawn from the published literature. This article addresses an important gap in our knowledge by providing a critical review of findings from recent research investigating the impact of recreational methamphetamine use on human cognition.
Many people can use meth recreationally, in modest doses, without becoming dependent. In fact, the review begins by noting the performance enhancing effects of meth in high-functioning, healthy adults who are occasional users. These laboratory studies are conducted in a very controlled environment, using oral administration of pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine. No one disputes that acutely administered meth can have beneficial effects on cognitive performance (Barr et al., 2006):
Numerous studies have confirmed that MA abuse is associated with cognitive impairment. Unlike the acute effects of a single low dose of MA, which can improve cognitive processing speed, attention, concentration and psychomotor performance,77,78 long-term exposure to MA may result in profound neuropsychological deficits (see Nordahl et al2).
But how does acute meth affect the performance of meth abusers? Here, the authors cite their own work on the intranasal administration of 3 doses + placebo to 11 meth abusers (Hart et al., 2008). The same computerized battery of 5 cognitive tests was given to the participants during each session. The results in their entirety:
Figure 4 shows how methamphetamine altered performance over time on selected measures.1 As can be seen, methamphetamine improved performance on both of the selected tasks. On the DAT [divided attention task, for vigilance], all active methamphetamine doses decreased the mean hit latency and increased the maximum tracking speed (P<0.05). On the DSST [digit-symbol substitution task, for visuospatial processing], only the two intermediate doses (12 and 25mg) significantly improved performance. Relative to placebo, both doses increased the total number of trial attempts and correct responses (P<0.03). No other significant performance effects were noted.
There is no explanation of why these two tasks were "selected" instead of the other three. Nor is there any indication of how this performance compares to "normative data" or to participants who are not meth abusers. This is a bit ironic, because the most annoying critique within the review is the repeated failure to accept the performance of control subjects as valid. Sure, acute meth did speed up performance on "selected" measures of "selected" tasks, but was this generally better or worse than what's observed in those without a history of long-term meth abuse?

When evaluating whether meth really isn't that bad for you, my focus is on the chronic effects of meth in long-term abusers of the drug. I'll return to this critical issue in the next post.


1 An intriguing aspect of the data is that a massive performance drop was seen from time 0 to time 15 min in the placebo condition. One could speculate that the participants knew by then that they weren't on meth. The "Good Drug Effects" and "Stimulated" self-report ratings peaked at 15 min post-snort, so there's a disappointment-related decrement on placebo.

Figure 4. Selected performance effects as a function of methamphetamine dose and time. Error bars represent one SEM. Overlapping error bars were omitted for clarity.


Baicy K, London ED. (2007). Corticolimbic dysregulation and chronic methamphetamine abuse. Addiction 102 Suppl 1:5-15.

Barr AM, Panenka WJ, MacEwan GW, Thornton AE, Lang DJ, Honer WG, Lecomte T. (2006). The need for speed: an update on methamphetamine addiction. J Psychiatry Neurosci. 31:301-13.

Hart, C., Gunderson, E., Perez, A., Kirkpatrick, M., Thurmond, A., Comer, S., & Foltin, R. (2008). Acute Physiological and Behavioral Effects of Intranasal Methamphetamine in Humans. Neuropsychopharmacology, 33 (8), 1847-1855 DOI: 10.1038/sj.npp.1301578

Hart, C., Marvin, C., Silver, R., & Smith, E. (2011). Is Cognitive Functioning Impaired in Methamphetamine Users? A Critical Review. Neuropsychopharmacology DOI: 10.1038/npp.2011.276

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At November 29, 2011 9:04 AM, Anonymous London Counselling said...

While recreational use of meth(pharmaceutical grade) may not be as horrible as is normally portrayed, a substance that is as potentially addictive (to some individuals)should not be messed around with. How is a person supposed to know if they are one of the potential addicts until they become addicted to it? Controlled usage of amphetamine can be useful for weight loss or even mood elevation for some, but for others amphetamine use can lead to the use of dangerous or adulterated street drugs. For this reason unprescribed and unmonitored use of amphetamines should continue to be discouraged.

At November 29, 2011 7:06 PM, Anonymous Leslie said...

How wonderful. Scientific research that "proves" that recreational hard drug use can be ok.

I'm kind of personally offended by this research in the same way that I was when I discovered that there's a nightclub in my neighborhood called "Addiction"

I love it when you rip this shit apart. You're awesome.

At December 15, 2011 2:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, meth doesn't mess up your teeth and destroy your skin? How about the before and after pictures of metheads?

At April 25, 2012 2:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No it just proves, prior myths that single use of ma will not cannot permenantly SEVERLY harm your "brain cells" nerons. Doesnt make ot any less safe or more safe. And to be offended by research is hilarously close minded. Do you know what tylenol does to your liver?

At July 17, 2012 4:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tv said meth is the worst thing that's ever been created... A lot of hard drugs are okay as long as you're responsible with it. It's just a few dumbasses that gave the drug a bad name. I'd be fine with using meth, if I had kids I'd be fine with them doing it too, because I know I and they would be responsible enough to not abuse it. It's just the TV that tells you meth is worse than Nazism.

At April 23, 2013 6:18 PM, Anonymous sam iam said...

Meth is no more harmful to use than alcohol, cocaine, heroin, or any number of prescription drugs (one of which is given to millions of kids daily: amphetamines for ADHD).

In fact, meth is the least harmful of all of these.

As far as chronic use is concerned, meth is safer than all of the above drugs as well.

If you don't believe this, then you have been brainwashed by the very successful media campaigns which want to cast meth in a terrible light.

Don't get me wrong: many people cannot use this drug without significant problems coming their way. But no more so than any of the above illegal drugs, as well as some legal ones, namely alcohol (which kills ~75,000 people a year) or tobacco (which kills ~450,000 per year).

At June 01, 2013 9:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

look at the dosing amounts. 25mg?? anyone who does meth would laugh at that amount. typically a minimum "serving " smoked would be 50 mgs to lets say for a heavy user 500 mgs in one "bowl" to 1000 mgs for a heavy user. the problem is the significantly large doses taken and purity. i always thought they could eliminate the problem by legalizing meth but regulating it and diluting it down so much that its hard to do enough to cause the problems. a great cutting element i am knowledgeable about is N-ISOPROPYLBENZYLAMINE HYDROCHLORIDE. extremely difficult to tell from the real thing and definitely makes it psycologically difficult to "do to much.

personally i believe most people you see the horrible outcomes outcomes would not be much different if they had never touched drugs

At August 24, 2013 9:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isopropylbenzylamine is toxic. Much worse for you than inhaling meth.

I only found this blog as i was researching isopropylbenzylamine and this pop up on my google search.

At December 22, 2013 2:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a 3 session (18months, 24 months and 9 months) history with meth. I do have a reasonably severe case of ADD. Grew up in Mid-TN where FDA approved pills were always a huge part of the illicit market. I remember taking 10mg Desosyn (d-methamphetamine HCL salt) at about age 16 and 1 pill at 10mg made me feel normal for the first time. 2 pills and you were praying to come down/sleep as you lie awake the second night. I tried to make this point with guys I had grown up beside. "Chop a gram into 100 lines and let's each do2." They claimed they had quality meth,(at the time making it), but in reality, I probably never bought a bag over 40-45% and that would be from kingpins/importers who ran other businesses like bank pres., successful medical pro, etc. I have had 6.5 yrs of peace between binges. As far as kids; I have 3 (21,18,15) and I can't imagine holding anything back if I found out someone had given them this shit. Addiction has been a battle since teens with only a few sober/straight years in between (Thanks God!), and I could not imagine the kids I poured my life into having the struggles I have given my age (48). Bear in mind tuition is paid to an Ivy League School (both older kids), fridge is full and bills are paid. I don't make it, and I don't sell it.
If you have done it for years occasionally with no ill effects from months of losing REM sleep then do what you will. I certainly can't throw moral rocks at you. Seriously think before you hand the first dose to a newbie. You don't know if you may have ruined a life. Just don't,..... please.

At February 22, 2014 11:35 AM, Blogger The Neurocritic said...

FYI - that most recent comment was directed at sam iam.

At May 05, 2014 7:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm familiar with Carl Hart's work and while what he's saying is certainly valid, it's also misrepresented a lot and he's not without his own larger social agenda. His basic point is that Crystal Meth, not unlike Crack in the 80's or Marijuana in the 30's, or any other drug at any other time, is not necessarily as addictive as media and social services organizations, et al make it out to be. That there are such things as casual meth users. And at least initial studies show that casual meth use doesn't necessarily have the type of extreme health issues short term that media would make you believe. In addition, there's simply not enough long-term studies to really make a determination on whether or not casual meth use will create the level of long term negative effects that chronic use would. In fact, it's possible casual use of the drug might have very minimal effects. In essence, there isn't really proof to say otherwise. And I don't doubt any of that. But the truth is crystal meth is a highly addictive drug. Whether or not it is or isn't more addictive than crack or heroin or alcohol is really besides the point. Chronic addiction to crystal meth gives you a much higher than likely chance of developing negative short-term and long-term health issues. And just as some people can't control drinking...or sex...or gambling...there are going to be people who simply abuse the drug and the results for those people can be catastrophic. The reason I think public health announcements have a tendency to lean towards the "Reefer Madness" version of things "USE IT ONCE AND YOUR DEAD" is because they believe - rightly or wrongly - that there's a very short windwo (i.e. 30-second PSA) to get through to people, especially young people, and feel this is the most effective way of stopping people from trying the drug. It's no different than the scare tactics presidential campaigns use; or the NRA uses; or Pacifica radio uses. This may or may not be the right approach, but it's how it's currently done. And I think this is really Carl Hart's agenda. That the public is being misled and that a more thoughtful and thorough conversation needs to be had about the use and effects of hard drugs and that public policy should be based on that (and therefore by extension socioeconomic issues will be addressed as well) and not be influenced by misinformation and scare tactics. It's a fair enough point and one I do not disagree with at all. HOWEVER - even if only 35% of people who ever tried meth got addicted and suffered severe health consequences...is that a risk you want to take. If every time you got on a plane, or drove your car, or ate ice cream you had a 35% chance of it destroying your life...would you take that plane? Would you drive that car? Would you eat that ice cream? I don't doubt the validity of the study, but it is anything but an endorsement to start trying meth.

At May 06, 2014 4:22 PM, Blogger The Neurocritic said...

You made a number of good points, thanks for your comment. The percentage of casual meth users who do get addicted is probably lower than 35%, but that's not meant to be taken as an endorsement.

At May 31, 2014 8:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being a "casual" user back in college days (89-92) I can say honestly I never had any issues other than sleep deprivation. No heebie jeebie stuff you hear about with todays product. I watched an acquaintance and her son spiral around the drain with a meth addiction back in 2004 & one night out of boredom I tried a couple lines & it took less than an hr to notice a HUGE difference in what I used to call Cyrstal M & what they call meth today. Ugly ugly difference...my brain felt like it was numb, couldn't stop ruminating about silly stuff, and spaced out. Not a good high period.
Well about 4 months later, in a discussion with a court reporter friend, she informed me that a "cooker" currently on trial confessed to cooking his batch without removing the packaging, meaning aluminum foil, plastic, everything was thrown in.
I wouldn't touch any of the street grade meth that's available today with a 10 ft. straw. But if Walter White ever resurfaces all bets may be off. :-P

At November 24, 2014 9:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The response 2 comments ago was solid. Best, most logical analysis and understanding of the situation with consideration for the facts, and secret agendas from those laying claims about meths health consequences.

The key concept of "misinterpretation" that the commenter introduced was also excellent! At the end of the day, even if methamphetamine is not as harmful as it is portrayed, regardless of which aspect the focus is upon, i.e. long-term vs short-term, the overwhelming majority of general recordings and understandings, thus far, cannot negate that severe health consequences from meth use are a strong possibility. Therefore, meth is STILL a very addictive substance due to its interaction with the the pleasure/reward dopamine receptors and that fact that the spiked increase in dopamine is actually double, if not more, than cocaine's high!!!

Habit forming and addictive written all over it. Never endorse this drug to anyone even if society exaggerates its negativity.

I also agree with your analysis of the scare tactic; logical maneuver for them. And would I try meth if I knew statistically 35% got addicted with severe health consequences ? Absolutely yes lol.

I understand the point you attempt to make at the end, but using analogies to "Car" and "plane" rides is literally comparing apples and oranges lol. Would an individual eat an ice cream with "35% chance of destroying life" ? Hell no, because its just an ice cream.

Meth doesn't "destroy life", it delivers a pleasurable, sought after high, and has an addictive potential that could result in health consequences; those set of aforementioned variables are not the same as the variables in a dangerous car or plane ride, or an ice cream that destroys your life LOL

Other than that 1-dimensional perspective, the comment was solid. Perhaps you were just lazy on that last element and figured you didn't need to over explain; but eh guess we will find out lol

At March 08, 2015 6:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All lies. You are being lied to. The so called ."war on drugs" makes so much money for so many people they lie to us to keep it going. If drugs were made legal the drug Problem would go away over night.

At March 08, 2015 11:32 AM, Blogger The Neurocritic said...

You're not going to win any debates by simply stating that your viewpoint is right without offering any empirical evidence!

At April 13, 2015 6:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly as a former meth user whose entire life literally went under in a matter of 6 months of use and addiction it is completely preposterous to downplay the actual danger of this drug & the lifestyle that comes with using it. Even if you use it only from time to time the people involved in using it are sketchy...i've seen otherwise loving good people turn into emotionless ruthless violent people under the influence of this stuff. It does mess up your skin....I barely ever had a zit in my life but my face was riddled with marks. Like I said I used for under a year. It took me one time of use to be hooked. That shit messes with your brain...this shit is fucked up.

At May 11, 2015 1:22 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

As a former iv user of meth-ice,among other drugs,but mainly meth.I found a sense of purpose so very strong,combined with being able to focus the incredible rush of adrenaline and energy to such a point,that all these positive aspects of doing it would culminate in a sense of total complete concentration and a feeling of awesome self control.Which resulted in an overabundance of arrogance over time.I must add,this was only in the first 6 months after being introduced to meth,both by smoking,snorting,and injecting.My problems of losing the previous stated controls and sensibilities only began when I involved myself and the room in which I did the meth,to be invaded so to speak.What changed?Previously,there had been no one present,or only my wife,or at the most,us and our friends(husband,wife)neughbor and he was a cook.As more and more came to my abode for the usual non suspicious,and very suspicious visits.This of course caused a change within me.I knew it would ,but wouldn't,couldn't,or shouldn't stop it?After this influx of people,more dope,more unnecessary b.s.,well it shouldn't have suprised me number 1.That very soon,like 100% of my new additional friends,only bumped it.It wasn't long observing the obvious coughing,spinning eyes,leaning bodies from the rush of meth,that turned me down the iv only highway.Once step 1 firmly was in place,number 2.Hit!And that was the mental infection of skitzing,tweaking,wigging out took hold.For so long with only a few peoppe here or none I had control over my thoughts ,my beliefs,etc.But not now.The headrests in cars suddenly became real people just sitting in their car.Or worse,at night,not people,but things not of this world.Escalation always takes place in a meth user or the meth world once some perceived border has been crossed.This can be the "point"where hopefully you'll look back in recovery and know,that moment,that act,thought,deed,person,or thing,was what threw you overboard in a sea of paranoia,illusions,hallucinations,double and triple troubles,physical,mental,spiritual breaks some very horrific,terrifying,unexplained.Till at last(may take 5,10,15 years)you become effectively erased.Oh your body still exists.You walk and talk and eat and drink and do dope.But your essence has been erased forever.You are not the same person you were.You'll never be who you were born to be.But there is another outlook,if you can kick the alchemist,the witches,the meth vampires,and ultimately the devil out of your life.Either with outside,inside help.Be it voluntarily,or extra incentives levied by the state.Or alone.When you've reached that point of I am damn tired of me and of all these lost souls like me,and sick to death of chasing this demon dope into the sewers of perversion and the outhouses of filth where they always lead.With that put into effect immediately,you will have saved the very essence of who you are.And step by step you will have returned to the living.Casting a ray of light and hope behind you,and to follow you all the rest of your days.And you'll be,maybe willingly,or unwillingly at first,a helper to some,a friend to others,a hope and a lifeline to many you'll meet.Finally to recognize the self hatred and self loathing that you buried that fine day you turned and started your long trek home.To forgive all,and love oneself again.

At May 18, 2015 2:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

After 6 years on and off of meth I have established a love hate relationship with it. It conjures up an entity within that resides in memory and one can live in that illusion for a long time until there is nothing left. If there is one thing that is irrevocably true is that meth causes disorder. It strengthens the centre, the "me", the" i" that seeks a result because it is pleasurable. Thought is functioning at full capacity chasing after an ideal. It creates division. It is an isolation drug if you fancy a particular activity. if you've been up for days on end doin that one thing it's gonna Fuck with your ability to function normally when you finally break free of it. Sometimes that's an interesting feeling especially when it's a police officer who pulls you out of that world because you've been sitting in a parkinglot drawing some awesome shit for 7 hrs. Its 5am and you're starting to scare the girls at the little coffee shop. But it does narrow the mind. As a meth user I feel different from the rest. Sometimes I feel better and other times less. The fact is this constant flux, the eb and flow. It's a fascinating drug because it is dangerous. It requires a constant awareness of ones self in relationship to the inward and outward flow of life. Meth induces fear. Meth strengthes conditioning. You will justify, condemn, accept, reject a million reasons revolving around the bubble you stare at. The fact is conflict. Every meth user asks why the Fuck do I do this at some point or another. Just like anything else it becomes a mechanical routine that distorts your perception. Because of the gratification, we make an abstraction of the potential danger. Just like any other bad habit like ciggs. It creates more so the conflict of opposites. If you do not watch your mind it will run away chasing its desire which can lead you to the darkest places imaginable. I know a few ppl who are going down that hole. Certain ppl can do it. Most should never do it. Meth is like psychological boot camp. there is no graduation, only a tap out. Oh and it does change your skin tone especially in your hands. If you smoke ciggs like me too it's a double whammy. Drug use is an escape from what is. And I am a top notch escape artist. ^_^

At June 27, 2015 3:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adderall and wellbutrin is a great alternative. If that combo was readily available meth would dissapear. No one wants a solution. Society prefers to lock up addicts and turn them into real criminals.

At July 01, 2015 7:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My buddy says he keeps going to the doctor looking for something to balance him and feel "normal". The doctor has blindly prescribed to him, like a guinea pig, 15 different antidepressants amongst other "mind altering and body chemistry changing drugs, none of which have worked. My buddy tells the doctor what he's feeling, and goes on a 10 minute speech about his childhood, a traumatic thing tha happened to him, how he feels, and asks, "you knowhat I mean Doc? ". The doctor looks at him blankly having never experienced serious trama or pain his life, stsrts scribbling on a pad, and says, "let's try this for a while and see if you feel better?"
This same buddy finds his dealer, tells him his problems and how he feels and asks, "you know what I mean man?" The dealer says, "I feel you bro. I know. I've got just what you need." My buddy pertakes, feels wonderful, and continues to go back to the dealer. So which one is the better choice to fix my buddy's problem? The doctor who has never experienced true pain, or the dealer who has experienced all kinds of crap and has something that works?

At August 20, 2015 12:00 PM, Blogger Art Piece said...

The before and after pictures are while the meth is on a bender, hasn't slept for days, been using everyday, if they stop using for 3 months they go back to normal looking.

At August 20, 2015 12:00 PM, Blogger Art Piece said...

Meth is awesome

At August 20, 2015 12:05 PM, Blogger Art Piece said...

25mg is a normal hit, a heavy dose would be 50mg
You need to get better product.

At August 20, 2015 12:11 PM, Blogger Art Piece said...

Yay 😄

At September 11, 2015 11:59 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

As a former recreational user, this can be true. It helped in some areas but problems in others.

At November 28, 2015 8:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're comment was a little... inspiring. It's almost like you're saying most people can't handle the monster, but every once in a while, a badass comes along, someone with extreme mental control, who is able to channel it and ride the monster, into ultimate death, yes, but if you're dying anyway - and we're all dying anyway - what does it matter?

I'm not a user, but I have used, and I've recently become romantically involved with someone who seems as mentally sound an as able to hold it together as you.

At December 14, 2015 6:02 PM, Anonymous Everly Orca said...

Spend the night with someone high on meth, and theory evaporates into the mist. Checking the blinds, the closets, flipping up the mattresses, looking for unknown objects, believing the green light in the smoke detector is a spy, sexually voracious but unable to climax, paranoid to the point of wanting the house to be completely dark, vacuuming for 5 hours, studying lint found in the couch, inhumane strength coupled with rage when there is no more meth- A NIGHTMARE.

I am a person who avidly believed all drugs should be legalized. Until I dated someone who does meth. Any child subjected to a wild eyed, irrational, violent, tweaker has been abused.

The euphoria that the drug releases is too addictive. The user can't wield it. Meth then prevents their own brain from reabsorbing any feel good chemicals, once replenished.

After use, many users cry, are despondent and often speak of suicide. As a person who believes in a right for all to seek bliss, and acknowledges the horror and Kafka like drug laws, I cannot find any good in Meth.

At December 14, 2015 9:56 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Orca,very well said. As someone who luckily escaped that demon meth back in March 2007.I must agree with all you've said.I only fear getting hooked on it again.Because once it has nested inside a person.And even though it's been 8 years that I've been clean.When I let myself think about it,or watch a documentary on t.v.i taste it and I long for that rush after bumping it.Its an ongoing battle till death I suppose. It is something that people should avoid at all costs.But you hit the nail on the head in describing people on it.
Thank you,
Mark M.

At December 15, 2015 11:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

stronger cns stimulants are meant for people with real problems things like narcolepsy and adhd serious stuff that can keep a person from functioning in the real world, it has to do with chemicals in the brain and when you actually have a normal brain the effect of it becomes different. ive seen ppl with adhd get there life together using amphetamines, and ive seen normal ppl get very schizophrenic using amphetamines

At January 21, 2016 10:29 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

But what about Meth would qualify it for such a powerful hit campaign?

At March 24, 2016 7:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol some of these stories...

People acting like it's impossible to do in moderation and everyone who does meth is a paranoid skitz.

You did too much and are no better than the propaganda that sheople see on TV.

Someone I know takes a few small key bumps a day and is fine...Sleeps every night...eats on a regular schedule...is much more focused at work...a G lasts them over a week; especially bc they don't use on the weekend(s)...

Stop demonizing it. Everyone is different. Just because you lack self control doesn't mean everyone does.

This is not to say it isn't dangerous...but the scare tactics...really...?

At May 10, 2016 5:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meth really isn’t that bad, I’ve been taking it since I was 15. I started with prescription meth (Desoxyn), and when that got to be too hard to acquire, I moved to Aderall. There is barely a difference between them. And since I never grew out of my ADHD, I still take them. I’m 33 now. I have all my teeth. People tell me I look 25.
I don’t get high on meth bought on the black market. In fact, these days the only times I use crystal meth is when there is an Aderall shortage. I’d rather take the Aderall. More convenient.
But I don’t get high, probably because i’ve been on stimulants since I was 5 years old, starting with Ritalin.
Now don’t get me wrong, sometimes in the very beginning of starting the Desoxyn, I did feel pretty good. I just felt motivated to do things, especially because I experienced such a drastic increase in mental focus. Everything I feared to do before because I suck at it (aka, school), became a non-challenge. Meth gave me a real, working brain that could actually complete tasks…ON TIME! Like a boss.
And I’m sure if I did enough meth/amphetamine, that I would be able to feel “high” from it. I just don’t find that very appealing. It’s happened before that I’ve forgotten to take a pill, then I take it. And then I forget I took one, and take another. I did this (what I later recalled) 3 times once, taking 90mg of Aderall in basically one dose taken over an hour. And I didn’t care for the overly focused “euphoria” it gave me. I had no desire to do that again. It’s a very useful drug as it is, taken in regular controlled doses. I have no longing to be in a drug-induced "paradise". It wasn't paradise for me.
However, some people are different.
I think the most addicting thing about meth/amphetamines, for me, is that I can’t even drive a car (without wrecking it, yes it’s happened) without a sufficiently strong stimulant keeping my attention span in check. My brain is just naturally too damn distracted. And I move too damn much.
I can’t even say I’m addicted to it. I like it fine, but I would never steal from someone to get money to buy it. I would never hurt anyone in order to score. Hell no. And if I didn’t have such a good week financially and can’t afford it, I just don’t do it at all. Texas drivers beware!
I also use less either meth or Aderall on the weekends. Sometimes I have a pill in the morning to get me going, and thats it. Sometimes I don’t do it at all. And this is after years and years of near-daily meth or amphetamine use.
I really like meth for weight loss. If I find myself in a situation where I am having a lot of problems with eating too much, sometimes I’ll supplement my Aderall usage with a few smokes of meth on the days I don’t eat. It gets rid of my appetite easily, helping me to lose weight faster. Especially because I’m doing the Alternate Day Fast diet. It’s so much easier without those constant hunger pangs on the days I don’t eat. (ADF is a diet where you eat only every other day, and don’t closely monitor your calories on days you eat).
And I don’t find that I need or crave the extra meth boost on my eating days at all.
I don’t find it hard to quit taking stimulants altogether every now and then. But like I said, it does limit my capacity to function in normal society.
It’s such a useful chemical, and it is really a shame that some bozos don’t know how to handle it responsibly.

At May 28, 2016 7:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not a user Usually as of the past 3 weeks some one gave me I guess what you call a half gram but I was doing like the end of a needle head tiny bit up my nose (burns like hell) don't know how to smoke it and I've never put a needle in me to get high well anyway that little tiny bit kept me up but I finally got some work accomplished trying to take care of my mom gave my house to my daughter for graduation for a couple years to get her on her feet while I take care of mom well I ended up in the old neighborhood seeing old friends not the ones you want to bring home to mother my buddy gave me a few hits of crack and I was hooked but it do expensive , 7 puffs and there go 60 dollars then a different friend stopped by as I was clean from the crack for a couple weeks and gave me this really good crystal meth I took a tennie tiny sniff I was up since last night and its 10 in the morning I didn't want the stuff I wanted some coke do it makes you get your work done and I can go to sleep after a couple hours of stopping I haven't done drugs since I was a teenager unless you call pot a drug but I don't do that anymore I have to take medicine for my back and have to come out clean that one takes 30 days everyone is saying these other are out in a couple that's why I turned that way I've been watching kids for 35 years now my mom I take care of 2 hospital there is something wrong with every bone in my body my doctor wants me to take tabs 10. 4 times a day I say no way I do that I'll be a wreck at 60 I'm 60 now then I'll need something stronger so I could escape I've been doing these little naughty things once in awhile I'm bored and lonely I just want to feel different what is wrong with that my husband smokes pot all the time must admit I was jealous I even gave up drinking I really love crack I know it's bad but I feel great for a couple hours. What happened to the good ole days we would go out and pick mushrooms do window pane and blotter rooms full of marijuana 714's and drank all night and it was cheap or I never paid for it anyway boy hut that was the good ole days you didn't get addicted we did something or nothing every night and didn't have to go through withdraws. And believe me I would know I was always in the center of it all yes we lost a couple friends but they went to the wrong side of the tracks and got their heads blown off a couple OD but they wanted to stick a needle in there arm they were missed a lot now I guess I'm going to sit on meth for a long time because it's verylittle but I can't be staying up all day and all night and it burns the shot out of you nose just a quarter size of my pinky nail and I have little hands well any advice out there pass it on I'd like crack bit you get a fingernail worth for 60 and I don't know these people but I know everyone hangs out at bars

At July 25, 2016 10:23 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

How does one know he'll become and alcoholic until he drinks? While a glass of wine/single beer is good for you. I was addicted to meth, then found myself and overcame it. I now use recreationally, meaning in my own perspective I can eat and sleep normally, I don't do it everyday. Just when I have 2 consecutive days off of work. I don't "binge" when I do it, I stay up the first night and next day. The second night I sleep and then continue life sober. It's all a mental thing, how strong is your will. I will agree if you do not have a strong mindset then you will fall to it. I tell everyone it's a dark path to wonder because it will get you before you get it. That's an IF you can get a handle on it. I would never enable a beginner or someone that wants to try it simply because. I honestly believe sense I meditate and think a lot naturally, I was able to become a "handler" and kick my addiction

At August 13, 2016 7:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can find as many pictures as bad of cronic alcoholics...iv used meth for years you would never know suspect i ever have.
It is however very addictive especially if you love sex.

At August 13, 2016 7:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes indeed...meth very bad in the hands of violent nasty people like any drug is.
Id rather live with a meth addict any day over an alcoholic...of couse id rather nether and dont live with any addict.
I have seen so much distruction from alcohol , meth could never come close to the damage that terrifying drug alcohol does.

At August 20, 2016 7:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish people would look up actual facts and realize meth doesn't even come close to alcohol or even inhalants..truth is it actually doesn't change character or personality traits..it can change some physical traits over long term use..this whole meth epidemic is beyond stupid..truth is if your mom or dad had there kids taken away I'm sorry to say is because there bad parents..this also happens to alcoholic homes.the list goes on..please start informing yourselves on actual hard proven data..I'm a history teacher who gets to see a whole bunch of teen kids all week long..meth is the lowest thing we see next to alcohol and other drugs..yes meth can be harmful over long term..and unless it prescribed you have no clue what's in it..but it's not close to a lot of others..

At August 20, 2016 7:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You left out several important details with your friend that you stayed up with.such as how long have they been awake or without sleep.that sounds like either the end of a very long run or heavy use over time..I have a rare terminal auto immune disease where one nasty thing I'm left with is about 6 days of zero sleep a month..I don't care who you are..I'm completely sober and am beyond sketchy and freaked out on day 6..sleep deprivation and malnutrition along with dehydration causes noticeable effects.was your friend using a needle..luckily if they stop using after some time all those things go away..

At October 21, 2016 10:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok so.. if I shoot up in my left arm then I'm normal? As long as I don't do too much? But if I shoot up in my right arm then I must be addicted. This reasearch is bullshit. Meth is a dangerous substance whether you are the nicest person alive or not. Meth will ruin you so badly that you won't recognize who you've become.. but we all have too much pride to admit it. That's why we need to justify and assure others that we ONLY use on weekends. Normal people don't shoot dope. Any liscenced professional wouldn't approve of meth use. Don't be stupid enough to fall for this shit.

At November 04, 2016 3:38 PM, Anonymous Eye T. Alien said...

Okay look as a qualitative sociologist who has spent years studying drug use via ethnography...I have to say the quantitative studies such as DRUGNET [which showed that functional drug use had been more than significantly under-represented (fear of legal reprimand on part of potential subjects, social stigma etc) in prior research while addiction was in fact over-represented (due to our statistics coming from jails and other institutions which is a terribly overlooked bias as it was that bias that led to the idea that addictive substances were so badly addictive that well everyone we observed in jail over drugs or in rehab over drugs couldnt just try drugs without becoming addicted)] are very accurate in their move toward the self-medication hypothesis for addiction. The outdated hijacked brain theory is, well... sadly humorous in its scientific folly, yet wickedly oppressive in the cultural setting. Even the most backwards and unscientific recovery programs suggest that addiction is a disease of which the drugs are a symptom...I am paraphrasing NA here but it remains irrationally tied to hijacked brain much like the rest of the culture. People fear drugs and drug use, and when there is so much misinformation and propaganda mixed into study...well a self-medication hypothesis which suggests addiction has more to do with utilizing drugs to run away from ones problems or issues is just too scary for folks such as the anonymously offended "dont be stupid enough to fall for this shit" because any "liscensed professional would approve of meth use." (Well what about doctors who prescribe Desoxyn? Oh are doctors in another category? What about scientists? Or are you talking about truck drivers? Wait don't they love meth? uh oh... Whatever is normal i guess... right?)

These normals like the current addiction is a disease and if you say you dont have it and we see you have used a drug you are simply in denial model...because that "helps us remain blind to our own blindness..but ours is normal." Drug use is an unknown experience to many of them, especially functional drug use.

At November 04, 2016 3:39 PM, Anonymous Eye T. Alien said...

I am sorry I have to get this off my chest before i continue...look just because you know someone or are someone who may have been ruined by meth does not mean that anyone else that touches it has to much pride to admit they are ruined by it. It means that you have to much pride to admit that you, hypothetically speaking, ruined yourself so now you must ruin your scapegoat for everybody else...continue to run away continue to self-medicate. Ah... good old fashioned medicine...makes us comfortable right? It is normal... right? Normal? No Mr or Ms Anonymously Normal... that very standard normal example of someone reassurring others they only use on weekends...lol... well that cliche may apply to someone in denial because in todays world wtf does weekends have to do with being the necessary recreational time...see that addict continues to only see drugs as an escape of some form...the weekend escape from a hated weak life lived. I say this btw as an ethnographer who has spent years observing the entire range from straight edge to functional user to user with dependency issues to the addict who hates the identity that feels imposed to the relapsed addict who sadly spends their entire life wanting to run to somewhere else...when high they want to be clean when clean they want to be high and they just cant figure out why their brain hasnt become unhijacked yet...but they take their medicine and pray. The functional user never assures anyone. I have observed elected officials, business owners, rich, poor, school teachers...folks from every piece of context within our social existence...guess what? Drug use (and because i hate the term epidemic ill use a term most folks will find to have more comfortability) is actually sort of normal in our society. Addiction is not. Nor is the weekend only escape artist. I am editing my lengthy masters thesis down to 40 pages to submit for publication because this information is needed in our society. Yeah because all our accepted normal knowledge before has made it so, the idea that the neighbor may be shooting up a moderate dose of high quality methamphetamine delivered right to their mail box via dark net-deep web-whatever (i still only know how to use microsoft word...the rest are indeed excess-ive lol now if one isnt called excess i will look silly but one program sounds similar to that term) before they head off to their daily job as mayor of your hometown, a little disconcerting. Yeah it may make whichever relative who just cant stop robbing family and friends and then hating themselves for it and then self-medicating to not feel so shitty about themselves then repeat...like a little daily prescription..it may make them take more of the blame for their disease as a self-medicated self-fulfilling prophecy... i mean come on addicts take responsibilty. Drug abuse is a good term because.. to utilize a drug as a medicine is like punching ones wife in a way. A drug can be fun and amusing when used for those reasons or functional when used for such reasons as the mayor utilizing the intellectual positive side effects of moderate dosing to be the best mayor he can be, for the people. Now medicinal use implies something is wrong with the substance user and in need of "fixin"... drugs which are very fun for recreation sometimes dont fix that which needs it and instead fixes their self-value or esteem or whatnot...it becomes a crutch. So yes there is still much research to be done on harm reduction because there is still danger of addiction considering those categories of substances overlap...but harm reduction is truly the only way forward given the obvious correctness of the self-medication hypothesis.

At November 04, 2016 3:40 PM, Anonymous Eye T. Alien said...

It has nothing to do with right arm left arm. Dont use drugs to run away from that which bothers you...and sadly some of our recovery programs push us that way... i have observed the saddest face of addiction...those who are never happy in their current moment...they cannot even enjoy getting high...and thus cannot even enjoy staying clean. We give drugs the power they either have or dont have over us... that does not make anyonr any better or worse than another...just some that had to learn to love themselves via fighting drug addiction and yet still others who got to love their drug use bc they learned to love themselves first.

Back to my original point...thanks are owed to the neurocritic...objectivity is never gained when auto-assumed...deconstruction is essential to all methodology these days...anyway...nice post. Glad to see minds opening!

At November 04, 2016 3:44 PM, Anonymous Eye T. Alien said...

See at first one reacts with frustration toward the anger seem in so many posts ...i am history teacher look up facts... this is stupid etc...i want to smart off to them but then i realize that is the first response to new info...they are afraid of losing what in many situations they fear may be the only thing they have...something to blame... no worries its okay i was once just the same.

At November 30, 2016 1:30 PM, Anonymous 710devinthedude@gmail.com said...

While what you all day may be true, keep one thing in mind,

Meth addiction may not be all that bad for the addict, hardly even.
The ones truly hurt by the addiction are those who love the addict

At January 23, 2017 9:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've used it for 30 years. I'm a home owner ..raised three college grads, have held my job 25 years., have all my own teeth...don't shoot it . Don't smoke it...put it in my coffee once daily.

At January 24, 2017 10:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MA ruined me at 18 when i was dating a dealer (33 Lebanese) who also made me wake up to myself after a sittuation to which he physically abused me but it resulted in me contacting my mother who i hadnt spoken with for a year, booked me a flight to where she was 2500kms away since then (3years) i have found love committed and had a beautiful little boy, i have never been happier i use with my partner when our son is babysat on weekends and he keeps me from adiction, make me eat, sleep, and comedown after two days.
We only use with eachother and do things like stay up alnight and play board games, go camping on the beach with a campfire & have a drink and talk about all the great times we had.
We dont do it every weekend, especially if we have our beautiful 6 month old son (not breastfeed).
We've been doing it together for about 2 years and we are so close so we only do it with eachother no one else! He is the only person i trust and he watches out for me because he loves me.
With his help we control ourselves and always put our family first, before our son we were also doing it, gave up throughout my entire pregnancy minus the first four week because i didnt knowni was pregnant but stopped as soon as i found out my partner & our son are what keep me controlled and i would pick them over anything.

(Personal opinion) is if you are around the right person then you are fine but you must always be cautious as it is very addictive and can take over but with that person around it can be controlled and it hasn't wined up out of control for nearly three years 'if i include my 9 month pregnancy' then i dont think it will happen anytime soon BUT, we must always be cautious because it can happen any moment to either of us and if one sees it happening to the other, we will and i mean WILL discontinue the use because our love for our family is stronger than any drug in this world! That is a proven fact for us! Meth is dangerous but curiosity is in human nature but should always be accompanied by cautiousness and a safe & supporting other!

If we are told no to our curiosity of trying new things we wil crave and have a urge to do the exact opposite & will power can be overruled but a supportive other is always seeing it first hand and can prevent it from happening!

Love is the strongest drug if you choose to let it grow stronger everyday then it will be what always comes first!

Please notebthis is just my personal opinion therefore it is nor wrong or right....its just my belief and it keeps my will strong and my heart even stronger! ��

At January 31, 2017 11:07 PM, Blogger Blaobam said...

My brother is a type of person who when having headaches will start yelling at everybody and refuse to take headache medicine. I ask him why u dont want to take the medicine u just like to be shitty with us? He says no i just want it to go away by itself without medicine. I understand him. He kind of feels that he lost to headache if he takes the medicine. Succesfull guy started from nothing a self made men. And here u see all this junkies)))) just die guys. I think this weak type like all of you here dont deserve to be called human. Weak timed childish bastards who never earned more then 10 bugs an hour. Just die and free the world of the disgusting type of u. And to those people who are on heroin and claim that never has any sober person feel like them. I d9nt know what the hell or heaven u felt under ur drugs. But i feel such a pleasure with every breath every breez of air just by feeling that i exist that i dont give a shit what u feel there. I feel great in my most depressed state. At least i feel better when depressed then my mate who is high. And is twitching and switching like crazy thinking in his mind i am sure that he is wise looool. My friends father had a cancer he was refusing to go to the doctor and was playin tennis with us after 15 days he died. And u say about some pain? Be a man for gods sake.

At April 12, 2017 5:16 PM, Blogger Dion said...

I have been a meth user for 35 years now everyday I work in function the same as everyone else does I don't self shit off I'm a mechanic I work everyday just like the rest of people in the world and I don't think there's a problem with it I think it's all a mindset for people who are weak in the mind

At April 29, 2017 8:05 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I can't help but think that those who have previously been addicted to meth and are very vocal about how it will take complete control of you and destroy you are actually subconciously replacing their fear of their own demons and lack of ability to manage them with fear of the drug

At July 23, 2017 3:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could not of said it any better

At August 29, 2017 12:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a 40 year old healthy male who has been using for the past 10 years.

I will admit that during the first year of use I got a bit out of control because I was getting my stash from sketchy people and put no limits on my usage habits. Like others I wound up losing my job and had my car stolen twice (hanging with bad people). My appearance changed temporarily because I wasn't eating right and I wasn't sleeping right. Yes I too experienced temporary bouts of psychosis (audio, visual, tactile hallucinations) ONLY when I didn't sleep for two days at a timem.

Today I am a very successful entrepreneur and my relationships with family are stronger than ever. I still use once or twice a month via IV. I allow myself one or two nights a month for myself where I'll partake. It's my VICE... we all got them.

It's very controlled. I get my stash from the same lady I've gotten it from for the past decade. I don't do it with sketchy people. It's used as a sexual aide and I love it. I plan everything out to make sure I stay home with my partner and don't drive.

Funny thing: I don't crave meth. I don't wake up everyday reaching for it. I don't do any other drugs or alcohol; prescription or otherwise.

But I'm also not ignorant to the fact that not everyone has the type of self control, financial status or strong family support that I do. Propaganda websites that publish pictures of meth addicts (at their worst) don't paint the whole picture. Many of these people (not all) are children of unstable parenting who are products of the revolving door system themselves. And for those of us who solely base our opinions on meth use from drug documentaries shown on TV or internet or the homeless guys we run into at the gas station remember that we can all find anecdotal people and experiences to support any agenda.

If you were to see me you'd see a very healthy fit male who takes great pride in his appearance with all his teeth and hair. No pocks or marks on my skin. My organs are healthy according to my doc. I eat very healthy and workout 5 days a week. People tell me I look 25 and that's a huge compliment for a 40 year old.

I don't mean to come across as arrogant and I know my experience does not reflect the realities for all meth users. For many people meth can be completely dangerous and destructive. But I just wanted to share my personal experience for those interested in reading. Most studies posted out there aren't representative of casual users like me and lump us all into the same basket of those with rotten teeth, facial sores, lost hair, heart attacks, strokes, homeless or in prison and loss of all cognitive and mental function.

I believe we need more unbiased specific studies for people like me who very casually use meth yet abstain from all other drugs/alcohol/prescription drugs and lead an otherwise very healthy lifestyle.

At November 05, 2017 6:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been injecting a low dose of methamphetamine twice daily for approximately 8 years, but have been using the drug for 11-12 years. At first i did experience some of the effects 'they' say you will. As tine went on and i studied and noted how it affected me differently depending on a number of variables like the method in which I used it as well as if I had eaten or slept and how hydrated I was. For my own personal experience I have come to using the dose that I'm doing now and found it works best for me. My life over the past 4 or 5 years has greatly improved. When people find out i use and especially how i use they are very surprised and say they never in a million years would have guessed. The only time i have been clean in the last 12 years is the 4 months before, during and about 5 after my pregnancy. Since finding the dose that works for me i feek unstoppable. I went from a single mother on welfare barely surviving to where i am now, with my family, we have a nice home, drive a nice new car, mu trucks a beater but i like it that way, happily married with a 7 year old child, a great job which i earned with my hard work and great client reviews. I do not have a criminal record, in fact i hold a valid security license. I have good relationships with people in my community and my work is becoming more known with only word of mouth. All of this i dont think i could have achieved without meth as fucked up as that sounds. I dont get super high or spun. I do enough to give me that little boost every day, it gives me the drive, ambition and confidence i need to take on the day but i stilk maintain an otherwise healthy lifestyle. I eat regular meals, sleep every night and brush my god damn teeth. The cost of ny habit is minimal especially considering the benifits. My husband's story is similar to mine and combined we consume less than a 1/4 oz in a month

At February 04, 2018 6:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously...get a life, you spun high ass has turned to getting attention on the Internet...someday your kids will get to read your mentality at your age,,,you like you said high as fuck and making choices again that are wrong and out of line...and once again you think you have the world by the balls and you ain't got a pot to piss in....grow up and get right kid

At February 23, 2018 3:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meth saved my life. It gave me the motivation to get my shit together and stop being a bum. That was 16 years ago. I now own a nice big house that I'm comfortable living in two sports cars, three motorcycles and two trophy trucks. I highly support the use of meth, and extremely believe that everyone should smoke meth. It helped me, no reason it can't help you. Don't let the naysayers scare you. I smoke meth everyday and I eat and sleep just fine. Only the weak fall under its deadly influence. I support global legalization of methamphetamine.

At March 12, 2018 12:31 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

35 years of misery. You are not doing it right or probably getting flexed Dion. I'm been around it my whole life I know that there are exceptions. Only weak minded people who cannot get honest with themselves. If meth was so great why I on this thread. I call b.s. a

At March 12, 2018 12:49 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

You obviously don't have a clue about real meth addiction
Amphetamines tolerance will increase
It's sad someone defends doing key bumps of .meth. lmfao

At March 12, 2018 1:03 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Having meth in your possession alone is dumb but telling everyone om thr internet is dumber. Thank u

At September 16, 2018 11:09 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

there you have it. trucks and sports cars. a nice house. Yeah it helped me. just don't shoot it. another creepy advocate with an alterior motive.

Yeah the greatest trap is the one that allows you function for years even on alarming quantities every day,you think jeez don't people notice? don't they know? and it's cause you can get so good at lying to people. how? cause you get so good at lying to yourself man. so good you dont even notice.

only the weak. I would quit dealing and using and work a legitimate job before talking about weakness.

and what dumb science. pointless.
academics they trade off their instincts so they can talk gobbledygook.

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At September 16, 2018 12:02 PM, Anonymous labrat said...

only the weak fall under its deadly influence?
everyone should smoke meth?

that's pretty creepy man. pretty delusional. if I were young and looking for a green light that would sound cool. but im not. you have a legit job man or what?

At September 16, 2018 5:52 PM, Anonymous Andy Labrat said...

I dont know how that measures out. it sounds like you hit 35 points per month, but inject 70 times. twice a day.

if I were a religious nutter I would be visualising a demon inside of you that demands to be fed via steel twice daily every day. but I aint a religious nut. it's pretty close though hey.

I know how you are able to normalise the situation, but hey it looks to me like.you both are addicted to shooting meth. can't advise you more than that. I know you can't see what could be happening to your family. hope you can keep your daughter from it. far out.

At September 17, 2018 1:18 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

yes. I see what you did there.

At November 24, 2018 11:35 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

I dabbled with meth ice for a week or two and in small doses (maybe a .1 or .2g doses) less than half a g for sure about 2-3 daily and the effects on life weren't bad. It felt like I was on Molly honestly and I don't plan on taking it any further. Everybody is different and since I've been thru opiate withdrawal before, I think that mentally keeps me from over indulging anything. My experience with ice isn't a horror story. I can sleep and eat off it all day. Again in very small doses. During the come down is when u choose to eat more or just chill. Nobody wants to be up 3 days lol. Like I said I've done every drug recreationally and cold turkey all but heroin, I needed to remove myself from Nj away from everyone and everything in order to beat opiate that's a fact). As far as meth is concerned I think people that are doing large doses know damn well the amount they are doing is heroic I couldn't imagine taking half a g of something that physically hurts your stomach when ingested orally. Anything you do too much of will consume you including coffee, alcohol, and sugar which are all legal substances. The difference between an addict and a non addict is there mind. Be strong and don't take anything daily for long periods of time period.

At May 18, 2019 8:25 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

i personaly dont think that the law can put an adult in jail for possesion of a substance thats prescribed to 2nd graders whos parents dont wanna have to pay attention to them..lots of dangerous things are legal. some argue that drug users commit more crimes.but thats because possesion is illegal so in itself there commiting crimes.. as for addicts stealing and robbing..those are already illegal.

At June 19, 2019 6:47 AM, Blogger Quadracer5487 said...

I used meth to get off heroin it worked great took me a few tries and had used meth for a week or so at a time prior in my life but never liked it stimulants haven't ever been my thing but yeah made it to day two heroin wd shot up meth got past the horrible wd symptoms using meth about work and a half then stopped have honestly used meth a couple times seince vrs heroin but dont enjoy it like heroin and never more then a day but plan to no use at all if I can just was having heroin cravings but doing better been 2 months now no heroin and easy 2 weeks seince last meth use no cravings for it smoking weed though here and there too to help

At July 06, 2019 12:30 AM, Blogger Educate women said...

Crashing cars hum adderall and ritalin is speed I wonder where the people who originally post where are they now?

At October 19, 2019 12:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been on meth for 20 years, I have all my teeth, and my face isn't scarred.
I'm 46 now and honestly, Im not bad looking or even close to looking like a meth user.
I work 40 hours a week, I maintain a relationship with my parents and my brother. They are clueless I am an addict.
I can't remember the last day I went without doing meth. (Maybe if I had a cold) Im not super thin, I actually could lose a good 20 lbs.
I am single , never marrieds, no kids. Meth having a huge part of that I'm sure.
I can't see me quitting now, why bother? I went to private schools, college, awesome childhood, parents are still married.. there's no reason for why except I liked the high and there's no going back... Ill be an addict until I die..sucks

At November 01, 2019 7:21 PM, Anonymous Phil Harmonicloader said...

Hey Anonymous. Thing is by saying it sucks thats what actually makes it suck. I used to say fuck the shits in me now- may as well enjoy it. I think its supposed to be enjoyable. Same . 20 years. Functioning addict. Now i cant take it without inducing a crushing, obsessive, exhausting sensory disfunction. Looking at trees for hours thinking people are climbing in them. Never once did i see anyone, just the trees moving like theyre being climbed. Hyper vigilance. Triangulation of circles. And machinary sounding like the most amazing unearthly music. So if i take it now im not a functioning human anymore. So i cant take it anymore. So i work where they test the workers. Thats how ive been able to recover. And honestly, recovery is awesome. Recovery doesnt suck at all.

At November 23, 2019 12:44 PM, Blogger Con Safos the Mad Bomber said...

What this is all about is the using the words can or does. That is a huge difference. Can or does meth "ruin your life"? Can implies (which is the subjective/honest assertion) that it is possible meth can can ruin your life. Does implies that it always will (which is a lie). All of you commenting with personal experiences or knowing someone this happened to are asserting something based only on your own experiences. I could just as easily tell you stories of people I have known that were occasional users with no consequences (which is true I know many people like that including myself). Telling anecdotes or giving examples of experiences is fine but it becomes dangerous and ignorant when we begin to believe our perspectives are the only ones. It would be like saying drinking a Coke DOES cause diabetes. Well, that isn't true or we would all have diabetes. But we don't, because sugar only CAN cause diabetes. Time to grow up and have an honest conversation. All those dumb fucks in the "refer madness" claimed all kinds of ignorant stuff too. Didn't make it truth.

At May 25, 2022 8:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im 36 been using meth pretty much everyday for almost 6 years I have fairly normal life that I enjoy very much. I have 2 sons they are my everything and then some and if I'm not working doing construction I am 90% of the time with my boys. Everyone thinks I'm this amazing parent I feel I'm a pretty good parent but in back if my head I know my truth. I have great relationship with my soon to be wife she only drinks but did find out about my meth use after 2 years into the relationship and chose to still stay with me I think because she couldn't really see were it affected us negatively if anything her alcohol consumption seemed to have more negative affects on the relationship. I work for myself usually but do work for many many well respected people in my city. Everyone seems to really like me alot I wouldn't say I'm highly intelligent but far from stupid I only snort meth 2 to 3 times per day and I meditate couple times a day. Now I'm not saying this drug isn't harmful or that it can't ruin you'd life it absolutely can destroy people and bring there worst fears to life. I have disciplined myself and sorted out my issues that I fisry had in my mind such as auditorial hallucinations hearing voices and now I feel more telepathic or this strong intuition that just knows things without knowing exactly how I know. My life has drastically changed since I started using meth my beliefs have changed my perspective on life is different I love everyone so much I live life with gratitude and appreciation for everything and everyone. I no longer consider myself Christian but I feel religion is only to keep people in state of fear and more importantly take there money seeing churches take in trillions every year . I believe we're all gods and create our own destiny in our mind then project or manifest it into our reality or what we perceive to be reality. Again in no way shape or form do I consider this life to anyone it hasn't all been rainbows and sunshine but I've truly made the best of my life I've always been very talented at almost everything quick learner and easy to talk to I feel people's emotions and sense things usually before they happen positive or negative events. I do hear voices often sometimes conversations of friends or family sometimes strangers. I definitely can sense when someone is looking at me or observing me but not in my site I've tested my telepathic abilities few times but it's difficult I was called crazy for awhile but I think alot of time people don't want to admit when I was right for fear of embarrassment or think I'd be mad at them or just didn't believe in that sort of thing wrote it off as coincidence. I'm not sure what exactly is or isn't my problem nor am I sure how I feel about my drug use I'd much rather not use but feel I am stuck this way forever and if I stop for few days I do start to get irritable and fatigue. I actually look very healthy and young for my age and I have all my teeth again I care about everyone and always able to lend helping hand vecause that's what I love doing most helping people and no matter if I stay on this forever or go back to a sober life which since my teens I've never been truly sober I will always be the best person I can be treat others as I'd like to be treated I don't judge I don't gossip and surely don't have any hate in my heart but just living in the present and doing best I can be for my family and friends thank you for all your comment they have all been good read and very informational thank you
Jay Krieg

At May 25, 2022 8:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for this I am almost in the exact same scenario and I just didn't know if there was many people like me out thier. I eat right sleep normal hours have family job I'm I guess successful and in best shape of my life workout few days a week living fairly normal life but use meth daily. I don't want to promote this as all good but it should be studied more with I guess you could say with people who have been successful with there drug addiction and able to live amongst everyone else that society consider normal although 90% of them all have vices to some legal some not either way most of us are slaves to something. Again thanks so much for sharing


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